Getting the junk out on 9-2 advice welcome

[Chuck]

folks after suffering with mysterious urinary symptoms and inguinal canal pain for a year…i have decided to have Dr B pull out my double inguinal Bard 3d max garbage on 9-2. I feel like the stupidest person on the planet for putting this junk in me…i began having problems only weeks after the surgery with weak stream hesitancy that evolved into constant burning. Several here have said that mesh removal resolved their urinary issues and i am hoping that my removal will do the same… Dr B says its a 1-2 hour operation and he wont have to cath me…that really surprises me and i think the op will go much longer….maybe shorter due to the length of time this junk has been in me?? seeing 7 uros that kept telling me they could not find any issues…i have decided that ocams razor may be the best approach…as my friend nick and successful removal patient says…you didnt have those issues before you had the mesh placed…you do now…its the mesh…get the shit out…..i hate doing this operation…the general anesthesia will blast my brain…the robotic trocars will shred my abdominal wall…i simply dont have a choice…if the bard 4d max garbage folds flips or migrates…i will have majoy issues…so being a little proactive here….all i know is that lying doctors and mesh whores ruined my life…i cant fathom how i was ever able persuaded to put this junk in me…any advice welcome

[Watchful]

Good luck with this surgery – I hope it resolves the problem.

Will Dr. B do a tissue repair after removing your mesh?

[Good intentions]

Take your time healing after the surgery. My body took quite a while to adjust back to its former state even though I did have some immediate relief. Don’t try to test things to see how strong they are, the new tissue will still be weak. It takes months or years to get back to full tissue strength.

I have been under general anesthesia four times for multi-hour procedures and never had a catheter. I don’t know why your surgeon used one on you in your first surgery. Just another example of different surgeons doing this supposedly simple, supposedly safe procedure in different ways. Nobody gets a catheter for a pure tissue repair, only for laparoscopic mesh implantation. Another risk that is hidden away as supposedly not tied to the mesh implantation, like the effects of general anesthesia. He probably traded the risk of him having to deal with urinary retention for your risk of catheterization problems. Shifted the risk to the patient.

There was no explanation for my problems either, but they started to resolve immediately after the mesh was removed. Somehow specialists lose the ability to think outside their specialty. They can talk about inflammation as a good thing when talking about mesh “incorporation” but can’t grasp that inflammation might have unintended consequence. Or they just ignore that possibility.

Anyway, good luck. Try to get in to good physical shape before the surgery. It will help you in the long run.

[Chuck]

Good Intentions thanks for your input…very much respect you…and the fact that a smart guy like you fell for the mesh scam gives me some consolation. Dr B is a very humble guy…but he says mesh is safe…could not find any issues with mine but was willing to take it out. If its so safe why is he removing it once or twice per week. Many have said he is the best there is…so i feel he is good choice…I have been fanatical about my health for years and simply cant explain why i agreed to implant 48 square inches of plastic shit. Dr B said the hernias would likely hold…i had a large indirect…and i dont think anything on the other side…scumbag lying POS sam carvajal just said i did to get extra cash….put his finger on me for a split second and found a hernia where others found nothing….i dont think healing is possible in the body with a bunch of polypropelene in there…hopefully the fact that it has been in a mere 13 months will buy me something—to anyone considering lap surgery…please watch the procedure…its the furthest thing from minimally invasive…its unrefined awkward garbage surgery that blasts your abdomen then wallpapers you with plastic crap that sticks to everything in site….the gold standard my ass….

[Chuck]

Good Intentions…one question i do have is whether you had any new symptoms as a consequence of the removal….most of Dr Bs patients say they didnt….and i find it hard to believe that a 3 hour blasting from a robot will leave me unscathed…when the initial 30 minute surgery was so destructive…thanks GI

[Good intentions]

It’s just common rationalization Check. Surgeons are human too. Notice that you use the word “safe”. Safety is not the issue. Quality of life after the hernia repair is the issue.

You will find comments across the internet from surgeons who will answer a question about quality of life with a deflection to something else, like recurrence rates. They can’t help it. They have to believe that the time and effort they’ve invested to build their whole careers is “right”. To admit that it’s not would be to accept the fact that they have been fooled also. As you are demonstrating, that is incredibly difficult to do.

There is a saying that says basically, paraphrasing, that a sign of intelligence is the ability to hold two or more contradicting thoughts in your head at the same time and still function. Dr. Belyansky seems like one of those types. He probably implants mesh on the same days that he’s removing it from someone else. I would guess that if you pressed him he’d say that he usually finds flaws in the placement of the mesh and that if he had done the mesh implant you would not be having problems. More rationalization.

You should stop beating yourself up over your decision. The power behind the industry is huge. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of marketing and influence money is spent to keep the mesh industry thriving. It’s no different than the glyphosate or tobacco or opioid companies. Once the money starts flowing it tends to keep going. It’s the American way.

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[Watchful]

Mesh rules in other countries too, it’s not just an American thing. Tissue repair for adult hernias is very hard to master, and most surgeons weren’t good at it in the old days before mesh, as can be seen by the statistics from back then.

Chuck – it’s water under the bridge, but I think one mistake you made was letting him do the other side without symptoms and when others said there’s nothing there. Instead, that should have served as a major red flag.

[Chuck]

Watchful…as you say hindsight is 2020….i had several docs tell me the other side was weak and would herniate soon…one unltra sound showed a small nernia…another showed nothing…so when the Ahole told me there was a hernia there i figured it made sense to get them both done to avoid another sugery…i was hopelessly ignorant about the risks of GA and cath…i didnt even know i would be catheterized and thought everyone had GA for hernias….really sloppy prep on my part…i had three friends who got the same surgery and they said it was a breeze…just go to an experienced guy…my guy claimed 5000 surgeries,,who knows he was late 50s and i had watched a video of him doing lap surgery 6 years earlier—-i chose lap surgery to avoid the tissue trauma outside didnt realize there was more with lap inside….none of the 6 doctors i saw ever said shit about the risks…when i asked they said it was all lawyers liars and conspiracy theorists…when i looked on the complcatipn boards it was all women and transginal stuff…in retrospect it seems like a horrible decision…but at the time doctors were telling me tissue repairs were painful…took a long time to recover from and would likely fail…all lies for sure…but who knew….

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