“That number is dramatically less than tissue repair”

[Chuck]

The interview that wrecked my life….begins at 53:50 —i think most would agree these are the two top surgeons in the US…for hernia repair batting around lap, open and tissue repairs. Would anyone listening to this interview have done anything other than what I did. Dr Towfigh says that mesh dramatically reduces recurrance compared to tissue repair. (This is not true if you go to the best tissue guys—assuming the tissue guys are not lying which they may well be) Then Dr Towfigh says the chronic pain rate for tissue repair and mesh repair is the same. Then Yunis says all his complications or a high percentage…are from open mesh repairs…and your fear about mesh placed by lap on the back side…is way overblown. Dr Towfigh concurs..there are fewer nerves back there. So the inference is lap is the best way to go…lower recurrance due to mesh…lower chronic pain risk due to lap. I have replayed this interview dozens of times to see how i got suckered…..and given i had potential hernias on both sides of the groin…this interview sealed the deal on lap. Instead of listening to these doctors….I should have had the instincts of our friend Watchful…What—you are gonna shove huge pieces of cheap plastic garbage into my abdomen using chop sticks and then tack it down and hope it holds???? That sounds dangerous—-what if it doesnt stick? what if it degrades or gets infected…my life was hanging in the balance and I whiffed…This combined with the voeller interview citing all the studies regarding mesh and tissue repair recurrance —and implying that tissue repairs just fall apart in the long run…sunk me. Newbies –beware—this surgery is treacherous…and requires great powers of perception…and a hell of a lot of luck..—trusting the “experts” is not the way to go….remember what the “experts” told you about the covid vaccine??? I made the right call there…here not so much

[Chuck]

the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcS6imYt-bA

[ajm222]

what’s wrong with the covid vaccine?

[Chuck]

AJM— covid vax is not a conventional vax…it installs new software on your immune system…its a terrible monster. Docs noticed early on that it raised the clotting factor –D Dimer in nearly every patient…researchers dismissed this initially because they were not seeing clots in the major arteries…but D-Dimer always raises clot risk and some docs are seeing micro clotting of the arteries now…explains all the folks dying suddenly from strokes….never mind that mrna rewrites your genetic codes and reduces your immune defense against cancer and neuro illness…two friends developed ALS within weeks of the death shot….two other friends are battling pancreatic cancer…non smokers non drinkers…early 50s…another fit friend an super pro vaxxer just suffered a massive stroke…medical professionals are down right dangerous…because they make simplistic assumptions about a very complex body….it should have been obvious to us not to put plastic junk into a living body….but the tissue options were gruesome too…and the prospect of chronic pain from nerve injury scared me….so i let these quacks mesh me….dodged the vax however

[ajm222]

people are dying of strokes because they’re unvaccinated and getting covid, a virus known to damage the cardiovascular system.

“because they make simplistic assumptions about a very complex body” – this better describes lay persons who turn to youtube for ‘experts’ with little to no training on the human body, virology, immunology and epidemiology and dismiss people with actual knowledge and an education because they’re prone to conspiracies and perhaps have had a bad experience or two in their lives and suffer from iatrogenic injury and decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater. understandable in some cases, but ultimately an error in judgement.

i’ll grant you that medicine often makes mistakes. and medical professionals would be well advised to make more of an effort to track patients and get feedback from them and take a much more holistic approach to treatment. but all of the above about the vaccine is pseudoscience and anecdata.

[Chuck]

I guess it depends on if you trust the wisdom of the body or big pharma…the vax was a total scam…nearly completely ineffective…do you know a soul that got the vax that didnt get covid? REmember when they told us 92-95 percent effective at prevention….that gets forgotten by the corrupt media. Well they would have been much worse without the vax? How do they know that??? The body does not become immune by injecting dead viruses and heavy metals into the blood stream…does that even make Any sense? Immunity is derived through the respiratory system…but vaccines are big business….get your shingles shot…another total dangerous scam. I trust mother nature over the big pharma complex…those mrna shots have changed your immune system,,,and the antibodies will be recalled whenever you are exposed to another virus…whether that is a positive or a negative is unknown…we will know soon…Robert Malone…who invented the technology said its dangerous and the effect would take 3-5 years to be seen….

[William Bryant]

I’ve had all my covid injections. And when it’s time I will have the next one. All mine have been Pfizer.

However, I do believe astra zeneca has been discarded in the uk due to blood clots. And there is a legal case pending from the spouse of someone who died after receiving it due to blood clot.

[William Bryant]

Inside the £1billion AstraZeneca compensation battle https://mol.im/a/12059245 via https://dailym.ai/android

[Chuck]

Yea bryant…dont get any more…my mom got afib from that junk…on her way home from the shot…but it was just a coincidence —yea right…check out the documentary died suddenly—which corrupt media is trying to block….the first few minutes are conspiracy garbage…but then they get into the real science

[William Bryant]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/lisa-shaw-death-covid-vaccine-26665329

This is the case I was thinking about. The coroner apparently ruled death was due to reaction to astra zeneca causing brain bleeds. Yet partner is being fobbed off and ignored leaving no option he says but to sue.

I was unaware of the other action by 90 people.

My partner has astra zeneca and used worst headache of life, lucky to live through it I feel. I decided to have an alternative made by Pfizer. Yes I know they are alleged to have skewed their results.

[Good intentions]

Chuck’s post shows why he is having so much trouble deciding on a repair method for when/if he has a recurrence. He does not believe anything. And/or does not understand probability/odds/chance. He is looking for absolute certainty, which does not exist.

[Chuck]

GI—what do you believe? of course i am suspicious after being told lap mesh was the gold standard…you trust and you lay in bed with pain for two years. I think we can agree all the repair methods suck…the question is which one sucks the least as Watchful would say…I am down to Kang or Wiese….maybe Conze….what say you? We need to have this lined up when the recurrance hits…wait even a little and you may well get stuck putting mesh back in.

[William Bryant]

I thinkt that applies a bit to me. Although I was aware there was a risk with covid jab, I took it. Strangely enough when I had a non her is opi had to sign for anaesthetic and the sude effects included death on the form.

[William Bryant]

That should say when I had a non hernia related op the side effects included death. I still went for it. So not sure why I am prevaricating with hernia surgery..maybe because at moment no great deal of discomfort and could trade that for pain forever? So guess I’m looking for the “perfect” surgery, surgeon.

[Chuck]

Yes i seek perfection too…especially after i took a play off the first time…i really needed to dig deep and not trust the doctors…which goes against all our instincts….my only concern for you is that waiting can make things so much worse…i waited 4 years…due to your concerns….and my hernia got worse…yours could well be getting worse without you knowing it…similar to what happened with watchful–it was worse than he even thought. Then you are looking at some mesh nightmare…as with anything in life..you gotta take control of your health –if you leave it to others you are dead…i was in full control and vibrantly healthy….never going to the white lab coat killers….now i am battling back

[Chuck]

GI has a great understanding of probability —he made his decision to get double meshed after thinking that the doctors had “probably” figured out the mesh issues by the time he got his surgery. Ooops that was probably not probability.

[ajm222]

the vaccine was indeed that effective against the original strain of the virus. and the experts i’m referring to aren’t associated with big pharma. further, it was never about not getting infected with covid. that was just an added and unexpected gift of the vaccine against the original strain.

production of antibodies when the immune system is exposed to a dead or weakened virus is pretty basic science.

and ‘mother nature’ has killed billions of people. be careful when trusting her to care for you.

lastly, Malone didn’t invent the technology.

[Chuck]

AJM see enclosed—Malone was the principle developer…and he tells folks not to take it….All this vaccine promotes immunity stuff is extremely dubious…perfect example i stupidly took the HEp B vaccine…one year later i was told i had no immunity and needed a booster—My friend got the shingles vax –then promptly got shingles…he also got sick from the vax…we have been misled into believing vaccines are safe and effective…its been pounded into our head since birth so much so that everyone believes it to be true and anyone who suggests otherwise is a conspiracy theorist. You need to take a deeper dive to see that not only do vaccines have little effect ….they actually accelerate the decline of your health in numerous respects. There is huge money to be made from vaccines…and there is no way to sue the manufacturers….think back on why you chose mesh…because every doctor told you to….you now know that every doctor was wrong. Its the same with vaccines…the immune system is way too complicated and the various plagues we face are also extremely complex and the bugs are reproducing hourly shifting and changing…when you think of it this way it becomes obvious that no labcoat is going to be able to understand and manage the complexities…the vax makers always have an out when there products dont work…they just say well we never said it would cover everyone in all circumstances yada yada… everyone makes their own choices…for me no more vaccines. https://www.10news.com/news/in-depth/in-depth-did-robert-malone-invent-mrna-vaccines-in-san-diego

[ajm222]

the very article you posted suggests otherwise depending upon who is asked.

but to this day i don’t know what the precise source of my issues was/is. further, don’t forget that you yourself have vacillated back at times to thinking mesh is perhaps the way to go to fix a hernia. i don’t think even you are at a place where you can yet say with certainty the doctors were wrong.

[pinto]

ajm222 is correct: The Malone article contrarily contradicts the anti-vaxers by suggesting he’s off his rocker—-despite that the scientific community does not treat him as the developer of the vax, he himself bills himself that way. This is probably why he recommends against the vax—he’s peeved that he’s not gotten his due. Human nature at work!!

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[G]

For what it’s worth I had a no mesh, nor a Shouldice (described by some as a “sushi roll wrapped up with a guitar string”) repair done by Dr. Brown (basically what Dr. Kang does) several years ago. Pure tissue (no mesh) repairs can differ greatly. I’ve had no pain to speak of and didn’t need to take any pain medication. I’ve had no problems and work out (extensively) six days a week while working over 40 hours a week at a traditional job. I’ll be 70 years old in the not to distant future. Like I’ve said before, there are solutions to problems. Everything isn’t all gloom and doom. That is not to discount or negate that there is a lot of self serving and potentially questionable products and services marketed to the consumer however. “It’s nothing personal, it’s only business”. Cress selling, upselling, all kinds of marketing. Caveat emptor.

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