Bard 3D Max vs ProGrip Polyester and Polypropylene?

[SN]

After doing much research, I have found that most surgeons in my area use mostly use Bard 3D Max or ProGrip when it comes to a laparoscopic approach.

What are the pros and cons of each? And is the polypropylene version of ProGrip more preferred than its polyester version?

[Chuck]

SN please do not pursue lap surgery. This is total garbage surgery. They tell you its minimally invasive but its actually maxiumally invasive underneath the tissue. Huge plastic tarps are tacked down inside you. Bard 3d max is one of the worst meshes on the market. Its cheap crap that flips and folds easily and will ball up inside you and destroy your life. Lap is very tempting because it seems painless easy and you can get both sides done in one operation. But you will need general anesthesia….and in most cases they will cath you…stick a long metal tube down your penis…subjecting you to strictures and infection. Do you want that? They wont tell you they will do it…you will find out after. I think open mesh is safer or you can go to shouldice but do not do lap surgery —its pure garbage that should be banned. If they lap you—again you may end up getting both sides and they wont tell you before hand…you just wake up full of plastic and they tell you they did you a favor. Just say no

[sensei_305]

I am with Chuck on this one, when I go back for revision surgery Dr.Billings advised that if a repair is needed he will do it via open surgery instead of Lap as well. He said a tissue repair/Sutures is better done via open incision instead of lap.

[Good intentions]

Polypropylene Progrip is not indicated for laparoscopic repair by Medtronic. So you can only really compare Bard 3D Max with polyester Progrip.

Unfortunately, you can find supposed “studies” around the medical research world that will support either over the other.

Also, many of the studies are not actually comparisons of the materials but studies of fixation versus no fixation. Even though BD’s own literature says that fixation in not necessary for 3D MAx.

Sorry. There is no simple answer.

https://www.bd.com/en-us/products-and-solutions/products/product-families/3dmax-mesh#overview

[SN]

Looking at Medtronic’s webpage on the advantages of ProGrip, are they substantiated? It seems no fixation required as compared to Bard 3D Max, and almost half is reabsorbed along with the microgrips. But does the microgrips cause more inflammation? I suppose this is the acommodation that is required. Thus, would ProGrip be technically more preferable overall? Thoughts?

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