Watchful – FYI – this is why kang is the only option…
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01/24/2023 at 5:51 pm #33542
Chuck
Participantin my view….i found tons of this kind of stuff regarding shouldice…6 inch incisions…sloppy doctors…long recovery times…blogs that ran 3 years with continuing issues. Now i read reports of poor anesthesia outcomes…and they were making you get the death vax back then. I just dont get why this place is still the choice for so many,,,i understand korea is far away,,,but its your life…
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01/24/2023 at 11:39 pm #33546
William Bryant
ParticipantThats a good find Chuck, rather like a mesh register to weed out worst mesh/bad surgeons, Shouldice should do the same as some of the surgeons there sound uncaring and not the best.
Shouldice you’d think have a reputation to keep. So in their interest.
It’s a shame the blogger doesn’t say how his first hernia surgery was done or by whom.
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01/25/2023 at 1:12 am #33547
Watchful
ParticipantThis surgeon had quite a few bad reviews. He doesn’t perform surgeries there anymore.
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01/25/2023 at 12:19 pm #33558
Chuck
ParticipantWachful…you went to one of the best surgeons there i trust…and still got a bad result….i bet they brought out their best for rand paul…the shouldice procedure just seems so destructive…it seems like a real set up for chronic pain. The wierd thing is lichtenstein open is supposed to be the biggest risk for pain…but i havent met a soul who had it that has even a tiny issue…my life was destroyed by allegedly safe lap surgery…
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01/25/2023 at 12:38 pm #33560
William Bryant
ParticipantThats interesting Chuck, the NHS consultant I saw does open repair. He said in last year he’d only had 1 case of chronic pain.
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01/25/2023 at 12:51 pm #33563
Watchful
ParticipantChuck,
There are bad results with all these techniques (including Kang). It’s not true that Shouldice is particularly bad. It has its pitfalls, but so does mesh as you well know. You mentioned Lichtenstein – as I said before, I consulted with a surgeon who does this procedure, and he had a bad result (chronic pain) when it was done to him, and he needed a nurectomy. He now routinely cuts the ilioinguinal nerve.
You’re drawing conclusions from anecdotes. The only valid conclusion to draw is that there is no perfectly safe solution. You need to do your best the pick the best surgeon and technique for your case. However, you don’t know all the factors in advance, and even if you made the perfect choice, there’s still scope for trouble.
Even the best surgeons make mistakes, and medicine isn’t engineering – it’s a complicated mess of unpredictable repercussions from intervention. Evolution did not engineer the body to be friendly to surgeons (or drugs). The best of them are good at avoiding mines in this minefield, but no one and no technique can guarantee success. All you can hope to do is maximize your chances of a good outcome.
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01/25/2023 at 1:06 pm #33565
William Bryant
ParticipantHello Watchful, he’d done hundreds and the pain he referred to was a patient he had to refer to pain clinic.
I forgot about the surgeon you consulted who himself had pain after surgery.
It’s a real minefield.
I was speaking to a client on Friday and said I have a hernia and can’t carry… He’d had 3, his son 3 and his brother in law 1 – all mesh repaired, all fine.
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01/25/2023 at 1:16 pm #33566
Watchful
ParticipantThat’s the thing – patients don’t typically get referred to a pain clinic for intermittent and tolerable pain. You need to ask him how many have any level of chronic pain, and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t know and doesn’t keep track of that.
We know that most mesh surgeries for inguinal hernia turn out just fine. The problem is that the incidence of complications (including mild, moderate, and severe ones) is too high for comfort.
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01/25/2023 at 1:41 pm #33567
David M
ParticipantWatchful, would you still do it the same way if you had it to do over? How is it currently feeling?
Your case is especially interesting because you were here before your surgery, whereas many come here because they already have the pain. That makes your anecdotal story somewhat more worrisome.
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01/25/2023 at 1:44 pm #33568
William Bryant
ParticipantThat’s how I put it, when it works it’s brilliant but if it goes wrong it’s disastrous.
It didn’t help tje conversation was heard by me partner who already tells me about work colleague who had two mesh repairs and is all ok, it’s because a tissue repair would be quite an expense for us but I’m reluctant to contemplate mesh despite that.
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01/25/2023 at 2:06 pm #33569
Watchful
ParticipantTo be fair, only one pain clinic referral out of a few hundred surgeries (if true) is pretty impressive, but, still, it doesn’t give the full picture. Maybe some patients didn’t go back to him, for example, and there are those who get chronic pain which is not so severe. Another aspect is that with mesh the complications can come even years down the road.
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