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quote cshelter:The result was I had a recurrence. And a large incisional hernia that extended to my iliac crest.Hello [USER=”3118″]cshelter[/USER] I read your post and can not tell if you had a 2nd surgery that resulted in a hernia, or are waiting to have a 2nd surgery to fix a recurrent hernia, and, maybe, a new incisional hernia.
If you’ve “just” had a recurrence from a failed Desarda procedure that would be different than if you have a new hernia. Dr. Brown and Dr. Kang are well-versed in the methods of suture-based repairs. Maybe they can help. If you could give a clear summary of your condition now, that would help. Good luck.
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Testing.
Could you get the details of the type of mesh that was used? They might not all be the same.
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quote dmpain:H
I am 49 and in good shape. Historically very active. Swim, bike, occasional run, family hiking, etc. I had laparoscopic bilateral inguinal hernia repair with mesh in 2016. Small but painful hernia on the left, some pain on the right but no obvious hernia. My surgeon sold me on bilateral mesh based on the argument that one surgery would fix and prevent the potential for all future hernias (sigh).Any thoughts on my symptoms from Drs. and members? How reasonable are the next steps suggested by my local surgeon? Should I go back to considering sports hernia? Should I be reaching out to someone with more experience with complications from hernia surgery like Dr. David Earle (located a couple hours away) for what would now be a third (or fourth) opinion? Other questions I should be asking?
Happy New Year to all and thank you in advance.
Your “sigh” indicates that you’ve learned about how the industry works. You should reach out to the doctors that understand mesh problems AND have removed mesh. Dr. Earle has commented in the past in support of mesh. I think that he would probably sound very much like your current surgeon. You can search for his last few comments on the site. His comments on Atrium’s mesh product are also used in their marketing literature.
Dr. Belyansky, Dr. Brown, Dr. Billing and others have much experience in removing mesh and have probably met many patient s like yourself. Your situation, from start to now, sounds very much like mine, and others. The source of the problem can not be seen by imaging or any other technique, especially if it is a broad pain/discomfort, not localized to a nerve area. It’s probably just the mesh itself.
Here is what I think is the last contribution by Dr. Earle on the site. Good luck.
https://www.herniatalk.com/9814-american-senator-rand-paul-to-have-shouldice-surgery-in-canada
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Hello [USER=”3115″]Alemazz94[/USER] I just wrote a post that should appear soon. Good luck.
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Hello [USER=”3115″]Alemazz94[/USER] I just wrote a post that should appear soon. In the meantime, here is something to read that might help you. Your “wound” is not done changing, not fully healed. Good luck.
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Three months is still early. Things will keep changing, slowly. It’s not uncommon to feel stiffness or pulling sensations in the area of the mesh implant. It is well established that the mesh and the tissue around it shrink. Based on how scar tissue changes over time, your best option is probably to avoid overstressing the area, hoping that it will slowly relax over time.
Study how wounds heal and you might feel more comfortable about your problem and understand better how to handle it. Here is one source, linked below, but there are many more, out there on the internet. God luck.
https://www.woundsource.com/blog/four-stages-wound-healing
“Cross-linking of collagen reduces scar thickness and also makes the skin area of the wound stronger. Generally, remodeling begins about 21 days after an injury and can continue for a year or more. “
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If you remember to save/copy what you write before you hit “Post Reply” then you can just repaste it and try again. It often works. I think that the site has a bad spam filter, in two ways; it is random and arbitrary, and it destroys what’s written instead of allowing the user to fix it. It’s poor forum software.
Funny, but I did not take my own advice before posting this the first time and had to rewrite the whole thing.
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quote andrew1982:Hi Everyone,i am a 37 year old male in good physical condition. I was suffering from a reflectively small right side inguinal hernia for approx 1 year that caused no pain but needed to be pushed back in regularly so I decided to have it repaired.
I had open surgery (non-mesh) 2 weeks ago, details of which are as follows:
-neurolysis of the illionguinal nerve
-neurolysis and neurectomy of the genital branch of the Genitofemoral nerve
-hernioplasty (minimal repair technique)
-pre-peritoneal lipoma resectedThe days immediately following surgery were relatively pain free but from around day 6 I have been suffering from hypersensitivity/burning sensation that is very painful. The areas affected are from around 1cm below the incision to the base of my penis, the top portion of scrotal skin on right, the crease of my thigh/groin, the inside of my thigh and the top of the thigh to the right of the incision. The pain has not subsided since it began and is not hugely helped with pain killers (paracetemol/ibuprofen/tramadol). I’m pretty sure it’s the area served by the illionguinal nerve.
I have spoken with with my surgeon who is adamant that the pain will pass in a few weeks. I also asked why the nerve had to be removed when I had no pre-operative pain and was told that the hernia sack compressed the nerve and the nerve was adherent to the sack so had to be removed to prevent chronic pain. i was also told that the Iloinguinal nerve was protected but had to be mobilised carefully to avoid entrapment.
I am very anxious that the pain will not subside. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Hello andrew1982. andrew1982 Here is your post #1. Post #18 is just a comment about your post being Unapproved, nothing useful there. I couldn’t find anything about imaging.
The doctors who reply here are offering free advice and time. Anything that you can do to get them the information that they ask for will help you. I don’t think that they have the time to go back and look through old posts. No offense, I’m just suggesting that if you can collect and summarize what you know that you’ll get better advice. I suggest that you re-write your whole story, very concisely and to the point.
You’ve had quite a bit of cutting done on your nerves. It has been noted in past comments by the doctors that the cut or damaged nerves can result in a neuroma. The fact that it seems close to your skin surface is probably significant.
There is probably a solution for you but you’ll probably have to go through the standard process for nerve pain, whatever that is. Good luck.
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quote andrew1982:Hi Everyone,
i am a 37 year old male in good physical condition. I was suffering from a reflectively small right side inguinal hernia for approx 1 year that caused no pain but needed to be pushed back in regularly so I decided to have it repaired.
I had open surgery (non-mesh) 2 weeks ago, details of which are as follows:
-neurolysis of the illionguinal nerve
-neurolysis and neurectomy of the genital branch of the Genitofemoral nerve
-hernioplasty (minimal repair technique)
-pre-peritoneal lipoma resectedThe days immediately following surgery were relatively pain free but from around day 6 I have been suffering from hypersensitivity/burning sensation that is very painful. The areas affected are from around 1cm below the incision to the base of my penis, the top portion of scrotal skin on right, the crease of my thigh/groin, the inside of my thigh and the top of the thigh to the right of the incision. The pain has not subsided since it began and is not hugely helped with pain killers (paracetemol/ibuprofen/tramadol). I’m pretty sure it’s the area served by the illionguinal nerve.
I have spoken with with my surgeon who is adamant that the pain will pass in a few weeks. I also asked why the nerve had to be removed when I had no pre-operative pain and was told that the hernia sack compressed the nerve and the nerve was adherent to the sack so had to be removed to prevent chronic pain. i was also told that the Iloinguinal nerve was protected but had to be mobilised carefully to avoid entrapment.
I am very anxious that the pain will not subside. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Hello andrew1982. andrew1982 Here is your post #1. Post #18 is just a comment about your post being Unapproved, nothing useful there. I couldn’t find anything about imaging.
The doctors who reply here are offering free advice and time. Anything that you can do to get them the information that they ask for will help you. I don’t think that they have the time to go back and look through old posts. No offense, I’m just suggesting that if you can collect and summarize what you know that you’ll get better advice. I suggest that you re-write your whole story, very concisely and to the point.
You’ve had quite a bit of cutting done on your nerves. It has been noted in past comments by the doctors that the cut or damaged nerves can result in a neuroma. The fact that it seems close to your skin surface is probably significant.
There is probably a solution for you but you’ll probably have to go through the standard process for nerve pain, whatever that is. Good luck.
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quote andrew1982:Hi Everyone,
i am a 37 year old male in good physical condition. I was suffering from a reflectively small right side inguinal hernia for approx 1 year that caused no pain but needed to be pushed back in regularly so I decided to have it repaired.
I had open surgery (non-mesh) 2 weeks ago, details of which are as follows:
-neurolysis of the illionguinal nerve
-neurolysis and neurectomy of the genital branch of the Genitofemoral nerve
-hernioplasty (minimal repair technique)
-pre-peritoneal lipoma resectedThe days immediately following surgery were relatively pain free but from around day 6 I have been suffering from hypersensitivity/burning sensation that is very painful. The areas affected are from around 1cm below the incision to the base of my penis, the top portion of scrotal skin on right, the crease of my thigh/groin, the inside of my thigh and the top of the thigh to the right of the incision. The pain has not subsided since it began and is not hugely helped with pain killers (paracetemol/ibuprofen/tramadol). I’m pretty sure it’s the area served by the illionguinal nerve.
I have spoken with with my surgeon who is adamant that the pain will pass in a few weeks. I also asked why the nerve had to be removed when I had no pre-operative pain and was told that the hernia sack compressed the nerve and the nerve was adherent to the sack so had to be removed to prevent chronic pain. i was also told that the Iloinguinal nerve was protected but had to be mobilised carefully to avoid entrapment.
I am very anxious that the pain will not subside. Any advice would be much appreciated.
Hello andrew1982. [USER=”3024″]andrew1982[/USER] Here is your post #1. Post #18 is just a comment about your post being Unapproved, nothing useful there. I couldn’t find anything about imaging.
The doctors who reply here are offering free advice and time. Anything that you can do to get them the information that they ask for will help you. I don’t think that they have the time to go back and look through old posts. No offense, I’m just suggesting that if you can collect and summarize what you know that you’ll get better advice. I suggest that you re-write your whole story, very concisely and to the point.
You’ve had quite a bit of cutting done on your nerves. It has been noted in past comments by the doctors that the cut or damaged nerves can result in a neuroma. The fact that it seems close to your skin surface is probably significant.
There is probably a solution for you but you’ll probably have to go through the standard process for nerve pain, whatever that is. Good luck.
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Davinci, or robotic, is just a new way to do old things. The mesh and what they intend to do with it is the key thing to focus on. You’ve already had one failed “mesh” procedure. “Mesh” means so many different things that the word alone is almost meaningless.
The fact that you have two different opinions on how to fix it means that your problem is probably not a simple one. Doing more research is a good idea. Get more details from the surgeons that you’ve talked to, about the materials they plan to use and placement, and how they plan to remove the bad mesh. Ask about neurectomies and other things that they might plan to do while they are working. Make sure that they have a history of successful operations, verifiable, and that you are not part of their early learning curve. Robotic laparoscopy is still a new technology, spreading rapidly.
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Here is a topic on the site, linked below, from someone who had Progrip implanted then ~9 months later started having discomfort. But he is still fully functional and very active. I put a link in the Topic to a different forum that has accounts from many people who’ve had a wide variety of experiences. There is not way to predict who will have problems and who will not. If I were in your situation I would just go out and do what you expect to have to do and see what happens. It’s only been 6 months for you though and the Progrip has 40% absorbable material that takes months, apparently, to fully absorb. Long term results from Progrip are undocumented so you’re on your own as far as discovering how it will work out. Nobody can tell you with any verifiable data what will happen. It’s just the way things are in the hernia repair field today.
Good luck.
https://www.herniatalk.com/14836-recurrent-inguinal-hernia
Here is the other link – https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133353003&page=1
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I wrote a bunch but the site wont let it through. Read this Topic for more information –
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Unapproved again so I’ll split it up in to pieces.
Here is a topic on the site, linked below, from someone who had Progrip implanted then ~9 months later started having discomfort. But he is still fully functional and very active. I put a link in the Topic to a different forum that has accounts from many people who’ve had a wide variety of experiences. There is not way to predict who will have problems and who will not. If I were in your situation I would just go out and do what you expect to have to do and see what happens. It’s only been 6 months for you though and the Progrip has 40% absorbable material that takes months, apparently, to fully absorb. Long term results from Progrip are undocumented so you’re on your own as far as discovering how it will work out. Nobody can tell you with any verifiable data what will happen. It’s just the way things are in the hernia repair field today.
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I got Unapproved so I’ll try to get it through again.
Here is a topic on the site, linked below, from someone who had Progrip implanted then ~9 months later started having discomfort. But he is still fully functional and very active. I put a link in the Topic to a different forum that has accounts from many people who’ve had a wide variety of experiences. There is not way to predict who will have problems and who will not. If I were in your situation I would just go out and do what you expect to have to do and see what happens. It’s only been 6 months for you though and the Progrip has 40% absorbable material that takes months, apparently, to fully absorb. Long term results from Progrip are undocumented so you’re on your own as far as discovering how it will work out. Nobody can tell you with any verifiable data what will happen. It’s just the way things are in the hernia repair field today.
Good luck.
https://www.herniatalk.com/14836-recurrent-inguinal-hernia
Here is the other link – https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133353003&page=1
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Here is a topic on the site, linked below, from someone who had Progrip implanted then ~9 months later started having discomfort. But he is still fully functional and very active. I put a link in the Topic to a different forum that has accounts from many people who’ve had a wide variety of experiences. There is not way to predict who will have problems and who will not. If I were in your situation I would just go out and do what you expect to have to do and see what happens. It’s only been 6 months for you though and the Progrip has 40% absorbable material that takes months, apparently, to fully absorb. Long term results from Progrip are undocumented so you’re on your own as far as discovering how it will work out. Nobody can tell you with any verifiable data what will happen. It’s just the way things are in the hernia repair field today.
Good luck.
https://www.herniatalk.com/14836-recurrent-inguinal-hernia
Here is the other link – https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133353003&page=1
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The thread is very long, 55 pages, but has a lot of good information in it. ShoulderBrah had a good experience. I didn’t. You’ll see that people who had a good experience will recommend that everyone not wait, just do it, while those who had a bad experience will say avoid mesh at all costs.
It’s worthwhile to browse through the posts. There are quite a few Progrip stories in there, and some people are still commenting years after their repairs.
One thing that I’ve said in the past is that nobody can “power through” or force their way to a better life by trying harder when they have a mesh problem. More physical exertion, whether measured in effort or quantity, will not help. The prime directive of many body builders, athletes, working people, or just generally tough people, to “tough it out”, just does not work at all, with mesh problems.
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Thank you. Here’s another thread on a different site, that might be useful. I got blocked on my first attempt so this might end up being a double post.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133353003&page=1
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Thank you. Here is another good site for information, more relevant, maybe, for you. Good luck.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=133353003&page=1
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quote pmv:If you don’t mind. What was your hernia repair experience? Good? Bad? Surgeon? Mesh or no mesh? And how are you doing now?
pmv
It was very bad. The worst experience of my life, aside from the death of family members. I’ve written quite a bit about it. I post on this site to let people know what’s going on and how easy it is to get drawn in to a bad situation.